Article: 'Affordable M' car 1/2 mile drag race - Stock F10 M5 vs. stock E92 M3 vs. tuned F20 M135i N55

[SpeedLimit?]

[Sticky]

The M135i is not a real M car. They acknowledge this in the video thankfully or somebody's head at BimmerBoost would likely be exploding. The thing is, when you make the point of what is or is not a BMW M car how do you leave out that M stands for Motorsport?

Why is that a big deal? Because the stock E92 M3 they bring to this drag race has the only engine that won in Motorsport doing things like going around a track. It is the oldest M there but would clean up with the other two around the track.

When did the measure of an M car become drag racing? Well, around the same time BMW went turbo and suddenly everyone cared more about power than the all around package BMW M was once known for.

Well, whatever, here's a 1/2 mile race by Autocar. You already know before it begins the F10 M5 will win. The M3 not only has a smaller motor but no turbos. No chance. Give it a blower and now we have something interesting to watch.

The M135i (thanks a lot for putting the letter on M on everything BMW) has a tuned N55. Why they bothered with giving it a limited slip differential over a turbo upgrade is anyone's guess. They could have really opened some eyes and done something different if they showed an M135i topping an M3 and an M5.

Oh, and would some acceleration data have killed them?

Enjoy:

[SpeedLimit?]

The S63 won races in the M6 GT3.

[BlackJetE90OC]

The S63 won races in the M6 GT3.

M6 GTLM...also new M8 GTLM has a race production S63.

[Eleventeen]

I find it hard to believe you are going to find a running F10 M5 for 25,000 pounds. Maybe with a salvage title...

[Sticky]

M6 GTLM...also new M8 GTLM has a race production S63.

Yes and this motor was designed for Motorsport after the fact whereas the S65 design was built from the ground up with racing in mind and for homologation.

[SeanWRT]

Put a tuned EWG 135i and it would beat E92 M3.

[7to3_enthusiast]

Wow, M5 really put a beating on them

[rawad1017]

E39 m5 would Have been a better choice than the little one series.

Heh. E39 m5 vs e92 m3. Hehehhehehehehehehehee

[Sticky]

Heh. E39 m5 vs e92 m3. Hehehhehehehehehehehee

E92 M3 wins. Easily.

[7to3_enthusiast]

E92 M3 wins. Easily.

I would have thought the same initially. But then I remembered how I've beaten and tied e92 m3's in my e46 when it was NA then came across this vid.



Seems like they're pretty well matched surprisingly. e92 needs a very high roll to pull it. Some reason the e92 has never been that impressive in NA form, probably due to weight.

[Sticky2]

I would have thought the same initially. But then I remembered how I've beaten and tied e92 m3's in my e46 when it was NA then came across this vid.



Seems like they're pretty well matched surprisingly. e92 needs a very high roll to pull it. Some reason the e92 has never been that impressive in NA form, probably due to weight.

Yeah I know that vid.

Let me ask you this, has an e39 ever ran 11's naturally aspirated? The answer is no.

A bolt on e92 can beat a blown e39. Blown e92's are on another level.

Search my username on m5board. I'm banned for destroying e39's and e60's alike.

The s65 is a more potent motor in a lighter chassis with a DCT.

[Sticky]

Some reason the e92 has never been that impressive in NA form, probably due to weight.

Seriously? I ran 12.1@115 with basic bolt ons.

The E92 M3 recently ran 11.6 @ 122 with an E85 tune: https://www.bimmerboost.com/content....mph-trap-speed

Not sure how that isn't impressive. What E39 M5 is near it? Even with a blower?

[7to3_enthusiast]

Yeah I know that vid.

Let me ask you this, has an e39 ever ran 11's naturally aspirated? The answer is no.

A bolt on e92 can beat a blown e39. Blown e92's are on another level.

Search my username on m5board. I'm banned for destroying e39's and e60's alike.

The s65 is a more potent motor in a lighter chassis with a DCT.

I showed that a STOCK e39 m5 would not get walked "easily" by a STOCK e92 m3. End of story. Obviously the s65 is far superior but in stock trim they're both slow af.

[7to3_enthusiast]

Seriously? I ran 12.1@115 with basic bolt ons.

The E92 M3 recently ran 11.6 @ 122 with an E85 tune: https://www.bimmerboost.com/content....mph-trap-speed

Not sure how that isn't impressive. What E39 M5 is near is it? Even with a blower?

Sorry, but for a 8300 redline v8 I'd expect a lot more, just not impressed with that chassis NA, needs to lose a lot of weight. But like I said earlier it does great with boost.

[Sticky2]

Sorry, but for a 8300 redline v8 I'd expect a lot more, just not impressed with that chassis NA, needs to lose a lot of weight. But like I said earlier it does great with boost.

Are you kidding me? Name a better 4.0 liter four-seat V8.

You're talking up the E39 while the E92 is topping it naturally aspirated. It's 500 pounds lighter too.

If you aren't impressed I don't know what to tell you. The engine design won ALMS back to back.

[Sticky2]

I showed that a STOCK e39 m5 would not get walked "easily" by a STOCK e92 m3. End of story. Obviously the s65 is far superior but in stock trim they're both slow af.

No you showed a a 6-speed M3 and the DCT is a huge advantage.

Slow as $#@!? More E92 M3's run 10's than any other BMW.

[7to3_enthusiast]

Are you kidding me? Name a better 4.0 liter four-seat V8.

You're talking up the E39 while the E92 is topping it naturally aspirated. It's 500 pounds lighter too.

If you aren't impressed I don't know what to tell you. The engine design won ALMS back to back.

I'm not talking up anything, I showed a stock e39 m5 staying door to door with a stock e92 m5 and you guys lost your mind LMAO!

[7to3_enthusiast]

No you showed a a 6-speed M3 and the DCT is a huge advantage.

Slow as $#@!? More E92 M3's run 10's than any other BMW.

Maybe you're not aware that a stock e9x m3 are only a tad faster than a stock e46 m3. I've raced them in many scenario's. So yes, slow AF.

[Sticky2]

Maybe you're not aware that a stock e9x m3 are only a tad faster than a stock e46 m3. I've raced them in many scenario's. So yes, slow AF.

maybe you're not an authority as you can't show anything backing you up? Where's that NA 122 slip?

I've owned both. I'm not delusional. As you are...

[7to3_enthusiast]

maybe you're not an authority as you can't show anything backing you up? Where's that NA 122 slip?

I've owned both. I'm not delusional. As you are...

A stock e92 m3 = stock e46 m3 = stock e39 m5....maybe that's a little easier for you to comprehend.


All of them...SLOW AF.

[lulz_m3]

Maybe you're not aware that a stock e9x m3 are only a tad faster than a stock e46 m3. I've raced them in many scenario's. So yes, slow AF.

What in the actual $#@! are you talking about?

[rawad1017]

E46 m3 with a tire 12.70s-80s
E92 m3 with a tire 12.40s
E39 m5 with a tire maybe 12.90s lol

[7to3_enthusiast]

What in the actual $#@! are you talking about?

I'm talking about running against an e92 m3 in my e46 from 40-130 and losing by a car each time. Then after installing intake and tune winning by a car. It's really not that much of a difference, we were both surprised. e92 is faster no doubt, but not as much as I would have hoped.

This site is plagued with people losing their sh*t when even having the slightest disagreement with Sticky. Showing a video of a stock e92 m3 and stock e39 m5 going door to door and saying they're pretty close should not warrant being insulted and cussed at, it's childish. Sticky, ban or delete my account.



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[Sticky]

it's childish. Sticky, ban or delete my account.

Speaking of childish...

I'm talking about running against an e92 m3 in my e46 from 40-130 and losing by a car each time. Then after installing intake and tune winning by a car. It's really not that much of a difference, we were both surprised. e92 is faster no doubt, but not as much as I would have hoped.

Great. DCT? 6-speed? Driver mod?

I've owned both. I've ran both. I've modified both. I've tracked both.

Stock E46 M3 SMG: 104 trap
Stock E92 M3 DCT: 112 trap

My E46 M3 dyno'd 275 to the wheels. My E92 M3 350 to the wheels. Well, look at that. 75 whp and a spread of 8 miles per hour of trap speed.

That's close to you? Seriously? You do realize the E92 M3 makes more power at the tires than the S62 V8 in the E39 M5, right?

There are multiple E92 M3's in the 11's naturally aspirated. I was on the doorstep at 12.1 @ 115 with just a cat delete, pulley, and pump gas tune.

My car went 173 in the 1/2 mile. How did your fast E46 M3 do?

This site is plagued with people losing their sh*t when even having the slightest disagreement with Sticky. Showing a video of a stock e92 m3 and stock e39 m5 going door to door and saying they're pretty close should not warrant being insulted and cussed at, it's childish.

The site is plagued with people who are asked to back up their statements with facts.

I have no doubt there was a single run somewhere where an E39 won. So what? I beat E60 M5's. The owner went to bitch on M5board because he didn't understand why his Dinan'd up E60 got spanked from a stop.

I'm not insulting you but I'm saying you obviously don't know the cars. I do. I backed up my points with evidence.

Here, an E92 M3 DCT vs. E60 M5 6-speed. Oh, E60's are slower than E39's, right?